The LA Podcast

Episode 146: “Jesus Swept” – Transcript

by Scott Frazier
November 2, 2020

Alissa Walker: Hello, Los Angeles. Are you out there?

Scott Frazier: This is an emergency bulletin.

Alissa Walker: It’s Monday, November 2nd: like we said on the last show, the last day, our last day on earth. Most

Hayes Davenport: All of our lives. This is the day that we’ll just live in forever. Not even like Groundhog Day style, nothing will repeat it. We’ll just advance…

Scott Frazier: Just we’re outside of time now. Mr. and Mrs. America and all the ships at sea. This is the final transmission. 

Alissa Walker: That’s what it feels like.

Hayes Davenport: No, this week did pass. That was good. That was good that that happened. A lot of stuff happened this week. We have a couple of little housekeeping things. There is new stuff that went on the site. Scott, what do we, what do we have? What do we have? What are we offering this week?

Scott Frazier: So yesterday we put up our new episode of TMZ for our Sepulveda Passholders.  That was the They Live episode. We actually, we just missed Halloween. It’s kind of fine, cause it’s not really a 

Hayes Davenport: It wasn’t really a Halloween episode.

Scott Frazier: But you know, you get it on November 1st.

Alissa Walker: Day of the dead. It’s kind of perfect.

Scott Frazier: Yeah, we also have been, trying to, you know, help people get their eyes on our resource guide, the guide to LA that we have on

If you still have not cast your vote, I don’t know why you have waited so long, but there are resources specific to the elections going on in LA County up on the site currently. So, do check that out. We are, we have posts going up once a day right now, basically. And we’ll, we’ll be highlighting those continually on social media, along with our partner in that effort, LA Pays Attention, which is run by Lex Roman @calexity on Twitter.

Hayes Davenport: Had a collab with Lexis-Olivier Ray, often writes for LA taco. They teamed up on a great article for The Appeal, which we should put in our show notes about kind of the history of the District Attorney position in LA and has a lot of fun historical nuggets. And also some stuff that’s like very scary and that kind of thing that makes you like read it and be like, “why does, why does this exist? Why does it exist this way? And is there nothing that we can do? Guess not.” 

So one day before election day.  Like there has been all kinds of like government mismanagement this year, we talk about it constantly on the show, but that feels like one bright spot here and in a lot of places around the country Is voting how it has been run – how seamlessly it has gone.

I think largely from just like public messaging around voting early instead of on, on election day. But in LA the vibe has been really nice. I love seeing the pictures of people voting at like Dodger Stadium, the Magic Castle, at Staples, at the Hollywood bowl. 

Scott Frazier: I love that the Magic Castle is a voting site.

Hayes Davenport: Have you seen the interior photos? I wish I had voted there.

It’s all lit in a weird – the only way that magic castle can be lit basically – but it’s like indoors in this bizarre room, all the little –

Scott Frazier: I’ve ever seen pictures of the interior of the Magic Castle now that I am thinking about it, but I am really vibing with the thought of somebody being like, “Is this your ballot?”

Hayes Davenport: It’s-

Alissa Walker: That’s in Texas.

Scott Frazier: Yeah, sure.

Hayes Davenport: And turnout has been very high, both in, in, in California and in LA County. Well, the last time I checked in LA County, we were at, basically 50%, and ended up with 67.5% turnout overall in 2016, which means there just are not that many votes left for, for election day. That also doesn’t include a lot of ballots that are already in the mail or has been dropped off somewhere, but haven’t been counted yet.


Scott Frazier: Today, I believe we are over 55%.

Hayes Davenport: In- county-wide?

Scott Frazier: Yeah, I think so.

Hayes Davenport: Awesome. And it’ll probably be a higher turnout year than 2016. We could get to 70% turnout overall, but that’s so much of the vote is already in a lot of these races that we’ve been talking about for a long time are already decided, and we just don’t know.

Scott Frazier: And we just don’t know the results. It’s, it is, it’s great because I think 2016 kind of surprised a lot of people – the clear and present threat posed by a Donald Trump presidency, being as stark as it was – it was not really matched by the actual turnout. Of course you can look to, places like California, where it’s just assumed that your vote in the presidential race doesn’t matter. 

But I think what we’re seeing in, it – particularly in Los Angeles over the course of the past four years – look at all of that, base-building, that’s been done, not really by them main line of the Democratic Party, but by other groups that have made it their mission to drive turnout and to increase voter engagement and to really force policies being pushed by the Democratic Party, which is of course overwhelmingly empowered here in the state to actually address the issues that are happening in Angelenos’s communities. So like down-ballot races, I think, in Los Angeles clearly are what is driving turnout here in Los Angeles. And that’s exciting.

Hayes Davenport: Yeah. I saw looking through the numbers that, uh, Council District 4 had higher turnout than any other Council District in the city. It’s always a high turnout district, but like usually not more than like CD 11 and like CD 5. But, and, young turnout is much higher than normal in that district too.

So for local races to be driving turnout in a presidential election year is absurd. I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s very unusual. I want to talk more about kind of the, the lead up to election day and like final campaign finance numbers. 

But I do want to go back and talk about Halloween a little bit. Trick or treating was discouraged, but it did happen. We walked around our neighborhood last night and it seems like little clusters of houses had set up a kind of trick or treating thing. Like people had candy put outside. The kids could take- Alissa, what was your experience? More candy for you, huh?

Alissa Walker: We did not do it. I mean, my kids are so young, they, they, yeah, they don’t even really know. They only go to the same houses on our block anyway. And so we. We took them to a neighbor’s house for a night and she just came out, which is fine. but no, nah, nothing. We didn’t have anything, nothing like that in our neighborhood.

And I know a lot of people were really, doing more like, early in the day park type celebration than, doing the house thing. But I would be interested to, to, to know what went on on like the famous, like Halloween streets and everything last night. I don’t, I don’t really know.

Hayes Davenport: Toluca Lake and the places that really go super hard. Yeah.

Alissa Walker: Wait,

Scott Frazier: Is this, is this like what every holiday is going to be like for the duration of, of COVID now? I’m not really sure. Thanksgiving people have been asking me, are you going anywhere? I’m like, no, kind of, of course, of course not. We’re we’re staying here. My, my, one of my parents has like a compromised immune system so we can’t go see them. But yeah, we’re kind of like, do, is there a way to do some kind of social distancing? In a park, in a backyard or whatever, and still have the ability to like actually see people that feel like it’s especially important if you have kids, right. Like to have some kind of.

Alissa Walker: That, but like Halloween is like, to me, this made me realize it should always be on a Saturday for one, we should change it. It should not be on the 31st. And I think you probably heard me talk about how so many kids are killed by cars on Halloween. And mostly because of people are trying to get from work to home in time to go trick or treating and like, do we really even need trick or treating? Wow, I’m going to be super unpopular, but like, it just, it seems like the, it seems like the, you know, clustering of neighborhoods and putting some candy out and visiting with your neighbors is like way better than.

All people, I know, drive to those famous Halloween streets to go to those like parties. And that also seems like very unnecessary. So I would say like a Local Saturday Halloween is what I would vote for in the future.

Hayes Davenport: This version, I live close to one of like, the biggest strips of trick or treating.

Alissa Walker: The Silver Lake one. Yes. What’s that street called?

Hayes Davenport: It’s Silver Lake Boulevard West, or, and there’s also like Armstrong.

Alissa Walker: That’s it. Yeah. Yeah.

Hayes Davenport: Yeah. But they like connect to each other and that’s like and they get a street closer permit. Like it’s closed.

But, and so I, in past years I bought candy and I’ve waited and nobody has shown up because they’re all like a half mile away where like the real action is. But this time it was much more neighborhood-based. It was people just kind of like wandering around their immediate vicinity. And that was nice. There aren’t really enough sidewalks anywhere on her for, for people to do that. But yeah, to what you’re saying, Alissa, it was like, it felt more like a traditional Halloween almost instead of like this event, like rave like warehouse party, like buy a ticket to Halloween that, yeah.

Alissa Walker: Walk around and smoke some pot and just enjoy it.

Scott Frazier: This, this,

Hayes Davenport: Do you want to talk about your costume?

Scott Frazier: Oh yeah, it was a great one.

Alissa Walker: Oh, my gosh. Oh, yes.

Hayes Davenport: Your costume and Avery’s are both relevant.

Scott Frazier: I did not have a costume, so that’s, that’s quick on my part.

Alissa Walker: My costume was amazing because I dressed as Target Husk. I made this like, I was going to be zombie target. It was always my plan to be zombie target right before the zombie target reopened with it open the week before. Halloween, which really threw it off. And so I made like a, have like a hat, a fascinator that was like half the finished target and half the unfinished target.

And then on the back as a picture of Eric Garcetti giving the thumbs up to the target logo. And, but I made this costume, Oh, I also had like all the document legal documents, like shredded made into a sash. So like all the, like all the complaints over the year and all the, like filing legal filings.

But the best thing was I posted the picture of myself and then like the target husk, Twitter account, retweeted it. And then their next tweet was like, we’re going away now, you know, target husk is done and here’s, who’s been doing it all these years, which is an amazing, and very funny writer. I don’t think, did people know this? Juliet Bennett Rylah?

Like, I don’t know if people knew that it was her. Yeah. So she

Hayes Davenport: No idea.

Alissa Walker: made this amazing video. That’s like, we should probably like somehow share it because I feel like our listeners would love it, but it was like, don’t you forget about husk and it’s really kind of poignant goodbye. But it was so funny cause it happened within like half an hour of like my costume reveal and not the husk reveal, which I thought was just perfect.

Hayes Davenport: And Avery was

Alissa Walker: my daughter was a cowgirl and, she 

Hayes Davenport: not just any

Alissa Walker: yeah, we had, there was this really beautiful, like suede cowgirl outfit that my mom had found at some, you know, garage sale or something like that and sends it for us to wear and I pull it out and it’s got like this giant, like sheriff patch on ones.

Hayes Davenport: The No on J campaign is paying families to-

Alissa Walker: yeah, I’m going to my, yeah, my daughter, my daughter is a, an a no on J you know, defund my child.

Scott Frazier: Can I just say Hayes, as soon as you said the word Halloween earlier my dog Alondra fully jumped over our baby gate that we have to keep them in that if you heard a large, loud crashing, that’s what that was. She’s been doing it every night since the Dodgers won the world series.

Hayes Davenport: Has, so there haven’t been, well, I’ve heard some fireworks every night since then, but like she

Scott Frazier: She’s in a mood. She she’s in a mood. she’s not happy that the Dodgers won. She wanted the rays to win. And she was really not happy with the announcement that Justin Turner had COVID and was playing baseball while he was waiting for his test results.

Hayes Davenport: When they came positive, left the field, but then did return to the field afterwards and sat for the team picture without a mask next to the oldest person on the premises, Dave Roberts. 

Scott Frazier: Damage is done by that point

Alissa Walker: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I

Scott Frazier: But still it’s a bad look.

Hayes Davenport: I saw people saying that like, “What’s the big deal he’s already infected them probably.” It’s like, well,

Scott Frazier: It’s a big deal because I mean, it’s, it’s sort of indicates that you are not taking it seriously, which is then backed up by the fact that you haven’t been taking it seriously for days prior to that point. But, but yeah, it’s, it’s a really bad look for all of Major League Baseball, I would say, to have this really ineffectual testing regime and lapse in reasonable policies.

Alissa Walker: And if it had had gone to a game seven, this is what I, my mind just kept like going over and over in my head. Like if they would have announced at the end of game six and they, you know, the Dodgers had an, a one they would have what had to cancel game seven and wait 14 days or something like what scenario would have happened?

Hayes Davenport: Had- Wasn’t it like the first test was inconclusive, and so then they did a second one?

Alissa Walker: They still didn’t, they still put them in, even though it was inconclusive? Oh, you 

Hayes Davenport: the first test, I’m sure it was like,

Alissa Walker: it was actually negative, but

Hayes Davenport: huge letters. Like the paper itself is covered in little COVID bugs and they’re like, “Huh? This is like, this is inconclusive. We should take another.”

Scott Frazier: “Run it back to the lab.”

Hayes Davenport: “Before we make any rash decisions. Let’s take one more look.”  And then they’re like very slowly…

Alissa Walker: Send it to Dallas first.

Hayes Davenport: Working the test.

Scott Frazier: I think if they had had to go to game seven, the exact opposite of what Alissa just said, they would have done it the exact same night before. There’s a chance for…

Hayes Davenport: just keep going.

Scott Frazier: Keep, like, keep playing.

Alissa Walker: Yeah, that was just, that was mind blowing.

Hayes Davenport: I was watching the Fox 11, the broadcast after the game, and there was a lot of fun stuff with fans and everything. And then there in Arlington where the game was played. And this guy in a mask they’re interviewing fans and this guy in a mask is talking and gives us very rehearsed speech that begins, “We turned Texas blue tonight. Not like we’re going to do it on November 3rd, but like, this was a really meaningful one too. And what a thing for the people of Los Angeles to, in this moment of like such,” and like goes on and on and on. 

And I’m like, that guy looks familiar. Oh yeah. That’s Joe Buscaino. Went to Texas. The next day we’ll talk about later, he was in council chambers to advocate for resuming sweeps of, and, but he was having just that absolute ball.

Scott Frazier: Is it, please tell me this is not going to be one of those things that we find out out via FBI filings, that he was on a private plane.

Alissa Walker: There was so many people, well from LA that were there that were, and I really had to think about that too, because it was like, what are we doing like, wasn’t the point of it, well, first of all, that they can have fans and their stadium. So you have it in a place where like that ignores the crisis enough to like, let you have fans in the stadium.

It was bothering me the whole time. And then they would, they would interview these people during the breaks and before and after the game. And they’d be like, I drove here. I flew, I flew her just for the, this game or something from LA. And you’re like, really, like, we’re, we’re. Fully supporting like the non-essential travel of these sports fans to sit in a stadium, pretty close to people.

I didn’t feel super like confident looking at that stadium that all precautions had been taken.

Hayes Davenport: Let’s talk about election stuff. The numbers are basically in, in terms of fundraising and I think it’s interesting to look at how much money some of the major County and city candidates have raised. I was researching this before the show and I want to give a shout out to a website where I’ve spent a huge amount of time over the last, year and a half, which is the city ethics website.

This is one of the best sites you can find anywhere .It is, it goes down a lot, but when it’s up, it is just an amazing user experience. It’s so, like it, it keeps revealing new fun, little things that you can look at, like lobbying reports and of payment reports and, like it’s so easily searched and it works so fast.

I love the city ethics website. The County website sucks. It is so unintuitive. It is like everything’s in a separate place. So you can find like campaign finance reports on this site and committee independent expenditure committee reports on this other side. Some I couldn’t find at all, but the city website is great.

So this-

Scott Frazier: The County does not do transparency well on any front, really, but it does this type of fundraising stuff especially bad.

Hayes Davenport: So I was looking at the County numbers for what, the difference between what herb Wesson and Holly Mitchell have pulled in for their campaigns. Holly Mitchell is at just under $1.7 million. It’s a County race so it’s a much bigger constituency, they do have to raise a lot more. And Wesson is at over two and a half million, so he is outpacing her by a lot. 

I was, I thought of this. I was listening to day the other day, and I heard a commercial with Snoop and Magic talking about herb Wesson and Snoop doing his thing where he’s like, “I’m voting for the first time ever,” basically implying that he was voting for the first time ever to vote for Herb Wesson. jokes about like “Herb” and “herb.” It’d be good, but they didn’t do that. But I’ve seen, I’ve heard others too. Oh yeah. Kamala Harris did one for MRT. A lot of them, you can hear they’re just doing it over the phone the other person is like recording a voice memo of the speaker phone. And the sound quality is so, so awful.

Magic’s was really bad. Snoop’s was extremely high quality. 

Scott Frazier: Did they like get them on a Zoom or something, and then they just rip the audio? Is-

Hayes Davenport: It doesn’t even sound like as good as Zoom quality. It honestly sounds like a speakerphone that someone is holding their cell phone up to. 

Mark Ridley-Thomas and Grace Yoo: as I think a lot of people would have expected, Ridley-Thomas is out-raising Grace Yoo by a lot. He’s raised $658,000 directly to his campaign in the general.

Grace Yoo has raised $262,000, but the, the big difference is in PAC money. These, these committees are going so hard for Mark Ridley-Thomas, even though his race was not predicted to be super competitive, he’s had more money spent in the PAC shadow campaign than he actually raised in his own campaign.

$727,000 spent by PACs, mostly labor. like the AFL, the, you know, like the, County labor or labor, the County Federation of Labor, and all of the big unions that tend to spend on these races, including the IBEW, the LADWP’s union. But it’s a lot. And Grace Yoo has only ended up with $35,000, in PAC money spent on her behalf.

And in the Nithya Raman-David Ryu race in Council District 4, David Ryu has raised – David Ryu all-time biggest fundraiser ever in the primary, raised and spent over a million dollars in, money directly for his campaign. In the general, he’s raised $595,000, and Nithya has raised $680,000, which is more than any other candidate in the city. For an outside challenger.

Scott Frazier: That is a huge turnaround.

Hayes Davenport: Huge, huge turnaround. And what really made the difference was small dollar donations. I want to talk the small dollar donations as, like the total amount from people who donated less than $100. Okay. So for the four city candidates, these are their small dollar donations in order.

Mark Ridley-Thomas has gotten $2,600 in small dollar donations. So, think of that: he raised $658,000 and only $2,600 of that came from people who gave less than $100. It’s like the opposite. I mean, people just like max out or don’t donate at all, basically. Uh, 

Scott Frazier: 26 people doing a hundred dollars.

Hayes Davenport: Ryu raised $7,700 out of his $600,000 came from small donors.

Scott Frazier: I, actually, that’s less than I would have expected. That’s a really small amount.

Hayes Davenport: Yeah, that’s it. It’s not much. Grace Yoo raised $14,700. That’s pretty decent. And Nithya raised $172,000 in small dollar donations. There’s-

Scott Frazier: give me just the numbers again.

Hayes Davenport: $2,600.

Scott Frazier: Yeah.

Hayes Davenport: $7,700. $14,700, and $172,000.

Alissa Walker: It’s like,

Hayes Davenport: It’s never happened before.

Alissa Walker: Yeah. You’re like what? Yeah. You read

Scott Frazier: Yeah. Like this, this is not a congressional race. This is not a, you know, like something where we would generally expect to see numbers figures on that line. $172,000 of small dollar donations for a City Council candidate is totally unheard of.

Hayes Davenport: And nobody has written a story about it. Isn’t that strange? Meanwhile, the PAC money. There’s another huge gap in that race where Ryu has had almost half a million dollars in PAC money in the general spent on his behalf, $493,000 and Nithya has had $12,000 spent on her behalf. There’s a thing now where the police union, we think we talked about in the last episode has gotten into these races and kind of a secret way.

Where they are giving money. It’s unreported, how much yet to the IBEW PAC who were then distributing it to other races. So their name, the, the, the, the police protective league still shows up on mailers and stuff like that. But, it’s not a direct donation from the LAPPL. It’s going through this other PAC.

Scott Frazier: Along with other funders like Lyft. Those are the, the mailers


Hayes Davenport: is a huge one.

Scott Frazier: You might’ve seen that are like, targeting Nithya and other, other candidates as well for their support for the Green New Deal, which is a favorite, flogging horse of the IBW. And you sort of have like, “Nithya Raman wants to like, raise your tax bill or raise your,” yeah, “Raise your tax bill by eliminating greenhouse gas emissions.” And like red blood red X drawn through like Green New Deal. It’s like, who is this? Who’s this even trying to appeal to??

Hayes Davenport: I didn’t get one of those and I live in the district. So I think the answer is Republicans. I think that is who they are sending those to. I have an interesting tidbit about Paul Krekorian that I saw when I was looking through this money. what principle do you most associate Paul Krekorian with? What’s a one.

Scott Frazier: He’s the budget guy.

Hayes Davenport: Budget. Fiscal responsibility. Exactly right. Paul Krekorian took matching funds in his primary.  He took $100,000 in public money too and spent it on his race when he was running basically unopposed. That surprised me. Lots of other candidates,- Mark Ridley-Thomas has not taken matching funds.

Scott Frazier: That is interesting. I don’t, was there anybody running against him? I don’t even remember.

Hayes Davenport: There was a, I forget one of their names, and Ayinde Jones was the name of another candidate. Neither one of them raised a dollar and Krekorian didn’t raise a ton, but he took public matching dollars to just spend it.

Scott Frazier: Right.

Hayes Davenport: On his campaign. It was surprising to me. Ryu was the only other incumbent who did that, but he was running a competitive race. So I guess that kind of

Scott Frazier: No, that is, that is interesting.

Hayes Davenport: What is going to happen tomorrow? Not just into, I mean, we’ve talked about like what, who might win or lose all those predictions are pretty much out the window as far as I’m concerned. But, the city is preparing for like the apocalypse. Yeah. Anything, everything,

Scott Frazier: Alissa, you wrote about this, right?

Hayes Davenport: You wrote about this.

Alissa Walker: I did. I mean, it’s not just here, obviously it’s every city is, is planning for, a municipal apocalypse. And I think at first they were kind of framing it as we’re trying to keep voters safe and we want to make sure the voters will go to the polls and not be intimidated, but that quickly morphed into discussions of curfews and police warning businesses to lock themselves down. 

And in the case here in LA, a neighborhood council basically asking the city to shut down the one of the largest business districts in the world until the election results are decided. The Downtown LA Neighborhood Council had a meeting where they, they want there to be an enforced nighttime curfew. And, and because also I think it wasn’t just because of election stuff, but because of everything they’ve been through with our world-champion sports teams, have made a life maybe a little bit, a little inconvenient for some residents of downtown who didn’t think that moving next to Staples Center would ever result in anyone celebrating a Lakers win ever.

But, I, I saw some really troubling things coming up, you know, in Chicago, a place where they have also shut down transit multiple times during protests. They raise their bridges, which is just like the most punitive transportation decision you can make. You have a place like Philly where, you know, they had another killing of a Black man by police.

And they have actually been under a curfew over the weekend already for that. And so there’s this. And the National Guard was already there for that too. So you have these concerns that, that’s going to just stay in place all week. The curfew’s gonna stay in place all week. And I think we also have another really good example, here in the LA area with what has gone on in Beverly Hills over the weekend.

You have this. It’s kind of been like the nexus of the pro-Trump rallies, you know, and you saw these really funny photos of, not just Rodeo Drive businesses boarding up, but like they were wrapping the Beverly Hills sign, like in plastic.

Hayes Davenport: They put a garbage bag over it.

Alissa Walker: I mean, leave it on there. I’m wrapping up all the sculptures and stuff, but you know, a ton of

Hayes Davenport: It looks like a Banksy.

Alissa Walker: Yeah,  Banksy X Christo 

Scott Frazier: Yeah.

Alissa Walker: Collaboration.

But, on, on Saturday there was a big rally there, a big, Trump pro Trump rally and a lot of people yeah. Every week, but like a lot of people were there, but then there were counter-protestors, Black Lives Matter groups and, you know, like the people kept coming out and the people who were trying to shut down the protectors went after. Of course the counter-protestors, not the Trump people who had been there every time that this is what’s been happening, you know, also like every weekend. So I think we’re getting a, they have like a full on tactical alert plan for Beverly Hills.

And I think that that is like maybe other parts of the city. We’re looking at that other cities and County, the County, we’re kind of looking at that because, nobody’s ever said that they’re going to come out and do it, like impose some kind of curfew ahead of time or shut down transit. They always say they won’t.

But, the ACLU is so worried about it, that they sent a letter to like various counties, like 200 cities in Southern California saying like, “Do not do this again.” Remember they sued the city when they put those curfews in place and, at the end of May, in June, at the last minute that were stranding people and, you know, basically making people, try to control people’s movement and saying like, “Because of your political views, if you are out after dark, we will arrest you.” And, you know, really just, it was completely unconstitutional.

So they sent a letter preemptively saying, “If you do this, we, once again, will come after you and sue you and stop you from doing this.” So it will be very interesting. I think just the curfew part alone will be very interesting to see what happens.

Scott Frazier: It wasn’t super clear to me when that happened, so yes, there were, as everybody who lives here, no doubt remembers, there were curfews on a nightly basis, more or less from Memorial Day weekend for about a week or so, I think. And those were enforced variously by local city governments, and also by the County and the Sheriff’s Department.

It was not super clear to me when they lifted those, when they actually stopped issuing curfew orders, whether that was because they had been sued by Black Lives Matter LA and the ACLU, or if there was another reason, I personally felt like the continuing existence of those curfew orders. Seemed like it was pretty clearly unconstitutional at that point, which was the, the argument that the ACLU was made, making that it was being intentionally used to curb first amendment protest rights.

I’m curious. I’m curious if that was actually what moved the city government to stop issuing them. I have no idea. I guess we’ll see.

Hayes Davenport: I think they never said explicitly, but they said like, coincidentally, around that same time, they were like, well, we’ve, “Our job is done. This, like, peace has been achieved and we don’t need these anymore,” but it was right around the same time they were getting sued all over the place. Yes.

Scott Frazier: Yeah, I do think too. I mean, the other, the other thing to watch, I think coming out of this because Beverly Hills was one of the places with the, among the most restrictive curfews. And, we talked about maybe two months ago, how they were. Proceeding with pressing charges, using a private attorney against protestors who had come into their city, even though Los Angeles and other cities around the region had dropped their charges, for a violation of the curfew.

That is, this is an emerging trend that I find so interesting. And I loved, the coverage about it this week. I loved reading about it in your writing, Alissa, just Beverly Hills, their role in this and, I mean, the, the things that were Beverly Hills went strongly for Hillary Clinton in 2016. and I think the general consensus is that, but that has become more of a Mecca for Trump supporters in, in California during the current election cycle.

I am very curious and we’ll be looking to see whether or not Trump carries Beverly Hills or districts there. I think there was maybe one precinct that went for Trump in 2016. It seems like. there is at least a visible contingent that is very, you know, that is, is moved by his policies in a variety of areas.

I’m curious if, if that is actually reflected in their in their votes in November.

Hayes Davenport: I do want to point out this week. DLANC, the Downtown LA Neighborhood Council, one of the most like famously pro criminalization neighborhood councils in the city asked for a preemptive curfew. They were like, shut us down and announce it ahead of time that like, there will be no activity after, after a certain time.

Which I mean, Seems so counterproductive given that, like, that just seems to be when these protests like, really get like set off and become these like dystopian children of men’s style, confrontations, is after the curfews are like, Like fall into place. I remember actually after Trump got elected, there were spontaneous downtown protests and marches to the federal building and like all that stuff, nothing happened really that I can remember.

I think the freeway did get blocked a couple of times. But it wasn’t mayhem. I mean, like.

Scott Frazier: It’s it’s interesting. I mean, it, from a obviously Downtown LA Neighborhood Council doesn’t have, you know, power, like they don’t have power in this regard that they’re trying to exercise it. And it doesn’t seem likely to me that the city will take them up on this, but yes, that is an incredible, escalation of just antagonism, against, you know, the residents of your city, against the people who are, trying to protest, trying to exercise their right. 

Alissa Walker: People trying to go to work and get home from work like on election day or something. Like what? Like

Scott Frazier: The downtown LA neighborhood council asked Mayor Garcetti to shut down the freeways, which I think rules because he doesn’t have the ability to do that.

Hayes Davenport: I know, and then it’s such a, like,

Scott Frazier: But I would love it if he did.

Hayes Davenport: But then it’s

Alissa Walker: Until the election results are finalized CicLAvia on every street, on every highway, until we know the results of the election I’m down. That’s fine.

Hayes Davenport: Let’s talk about the big council meeting this week, where there was a vote on an ordinance that we’ve been talking about for the last couple episodes, two and many episodes before that this constant revisiting of whether or not the city law enforcement sanitation can sweep out and camp mints of people who are homeless.

in particular, in certain areas around bridge housing, around shelter sites, near freeway overpasses near driveways, this was actually almost like a, like a Megazord of all the other different ordinances that have been considered all kind of like combined into, into one.

Alissa Walker: Yeah, you’d be like, you’re like, Oh, Oh, and that one. Oh, and that one. Oh, and that one.

Hayes Davenport: It was a reunion show. and this was something that, w we, as we talked about a councilmember, Bob Blumenfield put forward, and Mike Feuer, the City Attorney had this like drawn up and ready to go. I mean, they, they w they were really burning the candle on this one. They had it done in a week. Ready to vote on which never ever happens. Nothing moves that fast

Scott Frazier: Even the councilmembers were like, Whoa.

Hayes Davenport: And it immediately had a seven signers to it. When w when, when Blumenfield first put it up and just like looking at the landscape. Like Mitch O’Farrell hadn’t signed it yet. And you’re like, Oh, he’s definitely going to, this is the guy that he brought forward 41 18, a few, like a year, less than a year ago which did the exact same thing. And he got sent back. So this is like something he will love, obviously. and so it looks like it was probably going to pass.

Scott Frazier: There was also a, A limited timeframe in which people actually knew what I mean for first of all, as you’re mentioning, because the City Attorney turned it around so quickly, a little, obviously a limited period of time where review could take place in particular among advocates and their, legal allies.

But additionally, because City Council scheduled this meeting so quickly and it was a special meeting, so they didn’t have the same, Brown Act notification window that they would have had otherwise for when they needed to have it up and agendized.

Hayes Davenport: And, so Mike Feuer put out this ordinance, I guess he felt like he needed his like yard air rated or something, or like he had extra food because naturally, K-Town For All and other groups immediately went to his house and did a protest there. I will say first time I’ve ever seen it. He did go outside. And he talked to people. He didn’t do the work thing that, you see elected officials do in this situation a lot where they’re like, “Do you want to have a conversation or you just want to yell?” He did just, cause they do just want to yell, that’s why they came to your house. He did, you know, he liked her knocked out what his reasoning was that he thinks that getting this passed will allow for more bridge shelters to be built.

I don’t think that is correct. The pushback happens no matter what, but so that protest happened. And then the actual day of the council meeting happened on Wednesday and the vibe was very, it was much chillier than you would have expected towards actually passing this thing. But seven of the councilmembers had expressed their support for already. What I heard was that there a number of factors involved, one was yet, like you’re saying they didn’t expect it to come back this fast. Also, they didn’t expect it to be quite as severe as Mike Feuer drew it up where it’s like, for example, it said that it was illegal to sit, sleep or lie in any public area if shelter were offered somewhere, All right. And so that means that effectively, if there’s like an empty shelter bed somewhere. 

And they tell you, you have to either take this shelter bed in whatever location or your existence in public is illegal, which is always been kind of what they’re circling around, what they would like to do. But as we’ve talked about on this show, that shelter situation is not great for everyone. I mean, you talk to people who are homeless and a lot of them say like, “I would love a housing situation, this specific shelter doesn’t work. There’s someone there who I’m not safe around, or I, you know, I’m with my partner and it’s gender based. I don’t want to be split up. I would rather live in a tent than be split up from my partner who I feel like is keeping me safe.”

Scott Frazier: “I’m, I’m in the neighborhood where I need to be in order to access, service and services. And my, my, my social network,” you know, like, the, the fact that that’s something that, homeless individuals continually have to justify their existence as human beings and all of the, the emotional, psychological needs that go along with that is a different story, of course, but.

Hayes Davenport: Then it just takes a lot of time to get like that first contact with someone you’re like, Hey, would you like to go to shelter. They’ll probably say no, but like, if you work on it, like talk about it for like a series of days or weeks, you can eventually get to that place. 

Scott Frazier: Yeah.

Hayes Davenport: Under these terms, it’s either you go right into that shelter or you can be arrested.

Scott Frazier: Yeah. Yeah. Just like the situation where it’s like you live in Hollywood and they’re saying, well, shelter exists in Sylmar or San Pedro. Yeah. So obviously it’s, that’s an alien environment. You, you don’t know anything about those places. 

I do want to say too, like Mike Feuer we, we talked about do not even remember when this was, it was several months ago though.

When, when, the. Supreme Court of the United States was expected to possibly take a look at a, a ruling that had been handed down by the federal courts and that was the one that actually set this standard of making shelter available otherwise it is unconstitutional to, to sweep people off the streets, criminalize their presence when there is no alternative for them. 

And Mike Feuer’s office at that time signed on to, the challenge to this, they were very interested in having it heard by this, the, conservative Supreme Court. And they specifically said in their amicus brief that they were, they said that it would cause the city to descend into lawlessness and they were like, “what, there’s no, there’s no way for us to know what, what the, appropriate standard for shelter existing is?” 

So the upshot is they went for the most punitive possible. They went for the standard of shelter, exists somewhere, even if it’s 60 miles away, therefore: If you’re on the streets, you’re a criminal.

Hayes Davenport: But because of that, because Mike Feuer went so hard , the, the, the tone of the meeting was a little different. There were from the beginning, and some had announced ahead of time that they were going to vote no, on this ordinance, Mike Bonin came out first to say that he would vote no, he’s been a reliable vote on that front.

David Ryu, someone who, since he has been in an election with a more progressive opponent has completely changed his position on the issue of homelessness, now no longer, supports sweeps. He said that he would vote no. I also heard that he was trying to postpone this vote until after the election on November 3rd over.

I can imagine why. And there were others like, Marqueece Harris-Dawson came on this show and on the show said that he did support sweeps around bridge housing, but then voted against them when it actually came time to vote. So it was kind of unclear where, which way he would go. But he, then he voted no, and said that and said that he was against this.

But then the thing that was really, really weird. Is who else spoke up against this sweeps policy? one was Paul Koretz, who has always been supportive of this like clean streets, like kind of stuff, and really, really weird. Mitch O’Farrell. Like this is

Scott Frazier: A strange coalition.

Hayes Davenport: Very weird. Again, this is the person, Mitch O’Farrell brought forward the, the, the, the change to the municipal code 41.18 which did exactly this with very few differences. And he put it before the council and it didn’t happen, but, or it did happen? And then it was struck down by federal courts?

Scott Frazier: No, it didn’t happen.

Hayes Davenport: It didn’t happen in the first place. Right.

Scott Frazier: That was the one where City Council basically came out and paddled his butt and told him-

Hayes Davenport: That’s right. Of course, of course. That’s right. But now he has some support for this from other councilmembers for, again, basically the same thing. Or even like a slightly more lenient version of it, but now he doesn’t support it anymore. 

Alissa Walker: Yeah. I 

Hayes Davenport: What is, I, what happened?

Scott Frazier: I don’t know, Alissa, what are you saying about your councilmember?

Alissa Walker: What do I think about my councilmember? I. I’ve heard some, some things about what’s going on at Echo Park. There was a, a meeting, where was really dislike homeowner. The, the, the flyers have just said, “Homeowners: let’s talk about what you perceive to be the problem.” And it was like three police people, and three people from the government.

Like, that’s it. and I have heard whisperings that, Yeah, the camp in Echo Park has probably a hundred people or more living there. They’ve had, it’s been kind of like the center of amazing actions and activism that’s been going on there. But I’ve heard that he is going to create some type of shelter and use this, this, it doesn’t have to be, need to be worded this way, but basically say once this shelter is ready you have to go. Nobody can be in the park. Once we have this like, place ready to go. No one can be in the park. And I, I feel like he is not aligning with this particular ordinance, because he knows he’ll get in trouble from the activists, but I feel like he is going to borrow parts of it to, try to try to fix a problem, quote, unquote, for these homeowners that are really upset, in his district.

Scott Frazier: That that is interesting because I mean, that, that sort of aligns with the CARE+ reauthorization, right? Where care of the CARE model was the one where the, LA city sanitation was going to be led by LAHSA to, to actually sanitize the streets, which is something that everybody including unhoused people want to happen. CARE+ is the one where, instead they are sweeps with police present, and Mitch O’Farrell did vote for that. 

They, they were, they all use that exact same rhetoric of we’re going, we we’re going to build shelter. And, and then around that area, it’s not okay for anybody to be unhoused there, despite what Hayes was saying last week, that you know, if, well, and, and this week, that shelter housing isn’t right for everybody, and also that there’s just not enough shelter housing. No matter if you open a bridge housing facility in one location, there’s not, there’s not enough that you could actually reasonably expect to be able to, meet the need for housing on a nightly or a longer-term basis.

But it is interesting because, I mean, like you said, it Alissa, if Mitch O’Farrell is afraid of what activists are saying, that’s a new turn of events. Because he seems to have like made it his mission in life to stonewall any attempts by anybody to, to like, get him to do the humane thing. So that’s a change.

I don’t know what’s behind that change. Maybe it is as simple as, as soon as, as soon as we get to Wednesday this week, well it’s, yeah, we’ve moved on from the even-numbered Council District seats. And now he, he has to be thinking about his own reelection. 

I said a long time ago, and I still believe that he has already cast all the votes that voters need to see to know what there is to know about him, but maybe he, thinks that there’s still time to save his career.

Hayes Davenport: And Paul Koretz notably too, is going to be running any citywide election for, for Controller. So these are two people that are in 2022 gonna need votes. And it suggests that the political calculation for them has changed in a way that instead of what they used to be being scared of being too soft on homelessness, they now think being too hard on people who are homeless is, a political liability for them.

Alissa Walker: Ryu, listening to him, the little speech that he gave, he was choosing his words so so carefully to be still appealing to that homeowner, like in many ways, like we all want the same thing, you know. But I do want to also give a shout out if we’re talking about the, just the conversation that was held in, in chambers, Kevin De León our new, our new councilmember is ready to go. 

Like he was, yeah, and he was kind of scathing in his criticism of his fellow councilmembers. And also just like said, “We’re talking about the wrong thing here, where are the roofs?” And that is, that is it. 

Like, he, he really, he I’m looking forward to, maybe when they eventually meet in person to just see how, how these dynamics are going to change.

It’s it’s going to be good. Having an,

Scott Frazier: It’s interesting too, because like Kevin de León is a high profile guy, but he’s not the first person on City Council to come in from, from a state office, right? Like Herb Wesson was Speaker of the Assembly. Curren Price, believe it or not, was in the state legislature for a while. But he really does have, he does have a, a charisma – Wesson does as well – but, I am glad to see that he came in with that sort of fire.

I mean, as we’re recording this right now, there are ads that I’m getting on LA Times from Kevin De León’s Believing in a Better California Ballot Measure committee telling people to vote yes on props 15, 16, and 21. So, clearly, the city is not his sole political enterprise.

Alissa Walker: That’s okay. We’ll take him as long as  we can get him until he gets shuffled out somewhere else. But then also to talk about really like the worst part of this meeting: Joe Buscaino like brings in, every time they have these meetings, these slide shows of – Who are the people who are work for him, or I don’t know who are taking these pictures of all from the windows of a car of like, supposedly.

Blight and, you know, crimes being committed and, and th the horrible things that people are doing by living on the streets, because they have another choice. Like why is he not helping and talking to these people and making this really like, I mean, he’s turning it into almost like, the spectacle for, you know, this like local news type.

What’s that one show that’s like, always on like that special that’s like on one of the new local news channels, “Streets of Shame”. It’s like, there it’s 

Hayes Davenport: That is totally what it like.

Alissa Walker: Steve Lopez style, also ,the LA times calling who is always just like putting these like graphic images to make it make some point about homelessness.

And it’s just like, it’s, it’s so infuriating to see him get up there every time. And then the photos come out and just pointing to everything that these people are doing wrong. It’s just, it’s just all.

Scott Frazier: That is also a tactic that Republicans use pretty frequently. Melissa Melendez, one of the handful of Republicans left in the State Senate does that. She’ll like drive through downtown LA and be like, this is what Democrat-run cities look like. It’s very, it’s the same thing, basically.

Hayes Davenport: Eric Early. So like all of his billboards running against Adam Schiff are like that exact same kind of messaging. And he’s a Republican. I saw a billboard, there’s a billboard at Fletcher in Riverside, right near and Eric Early billboard that says “Vote Early,” but it’s just a, like a city, like a state voting commission or whatever billboard, but it just looks like a continuation of his other billboard. There was another-

Alissa Walker: Really.

Hayes Davenport: There was another fun, not fun, kind of weird moment in, this meeting where Nury Martinez council, president, who was supportive of this, ordinance by all appearances and Mike Bonin had sort of a back and forth where Nury Martinez. This is, this is like a rhetoric that she uses a lot talking about her district, and about how they take so much shit compared to like every other district in the city and like everything else that the richer neighborhoods in the city don’t want falls on

Alissa Walker: Right.

Hayes Davenport: And she talked about, she talked about how all the shelters are going in. Her district. Her district does have a lot of, a lot more shelter beds than, than other ones, but she compared it to, like the natural gas plant that’s there.

And the landfills that have been put there, it is gross. It’s not fundamentally untrue. It is like, you know, All of the shelter beds in the city virtually are in the most heavily Black and Latinx neighborhoods. She’s not wrong about this. The fact that this dynamic exists, but it is not like to be in this leadership position.

And to say like, we should not be prioritizing more shelter before enforcement because all of the, the shelters will come to my district is not city leadership. You just have to do what you can, you can push for better distribution of these resources, but like, it is always a strange geos talking about like families in my district who don’t have time to come to these meetings, you know, like that.

I think that came up again.

Alissa Walker: It’s always that. Yeah.

Scott Frazier: She is the Council President. I mean, she is the president of the City Council of Los Angeles. She’s the most powerful single politician in the city. It is. I mean, It compares unfavorably, and this is hard for me to say, but it compares unfavorably to the leadership of Herb Wesson who actually went up and said, “I am,-“

Hayes Davenport: “Put it in my office parking lot.”

Scott Frazier: “I am the, the leader of this body. And I want people to look to my district as an example.” 

I mean, the, as with everything else that we talk about with the City Council, the results weren’t there. But that’s such a different rhetoric than to compare it to, literally like the worst, one of the worst, natural gas disasters in the history of the country and your district and say like, this

Hayes Davenport: That was you’re, you’re confusing all the natural gas disasters we’ve had in the city. Aliso Canyon was CD12, but they had the, the more recent facility that is leaking and she has been, very outspoken about. 

Scott Frazier: To compare the, the, the fallout from decades of political malfeasance, human lives being destroyed to pollution. Like it’s gross. It really is.

Alissa Walker: Yeah. And, and there was so much weird. I mean, they always talk about this too, but thi , any changes will like shuffle people from one Council District to the next. And I think like it was either Ryu or O’Farrell was talking about the borders between their districts and how they’re like, it’s like that is literally their goal. 

Like that is what they tried to do with sweeps. Like they try to go out and disturb people enough, so they will move to the other side of the street or the other side of the bridge that is not in their district. And there has to be at some point. I mean, I feel like, remember when they all agreed to build 222 units of supportive housing is weird, like, competitions between them.

Like “I did my fair share, you didn’t.” I mean, that has to like stop immediately because it’s not about “my fair share, your fair share,” “my district, your district.” I mean, where are they getting that? Why does it have to all be like a competition or like they’re doing enough because it’s clearly none of them have done enough.

Hayes Davenport: But Mike Bonin spoke up and was like, “I just want to remind you I represent Venice. I have a huge,” he has way- They have about the same number of people who are homeless in their districts, but the number of people who are unsheltered in Mike Bonin’s district is way higher. and he is out there saying like, I’m not comfortable with just like sweeping the streets of this population right now, which would have the effect likely in a lot of cases of just distributing around the, them, around the city, into other districts, sending them to Kevin De León’s district or whatever, who also was not supportive.

But I mean, w like people representing places of unbelievable. Homelessness, are, are not supporting this. So it doesn’t really hold up as if like this, everything is being pushed into Nury Martinez’s district. It would be one thing if it were like the, the, the places that have a lot less homelessness where like the, the only councilmembers that were pushing it, but that wasn’t really what was happening.

And also, I want to point out to Kevin De León’s credit as soon as on his first day, his first full day in office, he put out that motion. Saying, like find the places for supportive housing and, and affordable housing in my district, the city-owned lots, find them all. So we can put this up and he represents the district with the most supportive housing already like, with the most affordable housing.

And he is seemingly working to add more right from the jump. That’s great. I also want to point out that like he is running for future office and he believes that this is politically expedient to do, which is the most important aspect of it. It means that the advocacy is working,

Scott Frazier: Yep.

Hayes Davenport: And these people in power will respond if you make them think that they might lose their jobs if they don’t do what you want them to do.

Alissa Walker: Or if you just go to their houses.

Scott Frazier: This was a real, this was a real test of mettle, I think for the for the homeless services advocacy for the unhoused constituents themselves, because we’ve, you know, we’ve had to fight it despite so many times already. And I think there is, I honestly have no idea what led to 41.18 coming back up for a renewal vote at this point in time, particularly right before the election, a lot of people were speculating that, that it would sort of be able to fly under the radar with people’s attention split, in a lot of different directions. 

Obviously though puts incumbents like David Ryu in a weird position where, they just want to be able to see, I think I personally expect a lot of politicians are probably watching very closely with this David Ryu-Nithya Raman election to determine how they will position themselves going forward.

Hopefully there’s a lasting impact there regardless of the outcome. But I think knowing how politicians sort of try to gauge things that that probably will be seen as a bellwether, 

Hayes Davenport: Already, I mean, like nobody wants what has happened to Ryu so far to happen to them. I mean, like

Scott Frazier: Yeah he’s burned $2 million, you said, right?

Hayes Davenport: Like even if he wins, like getting to a runoff at all, like is not a desirable outcome for any of these people. So I would think that that is already feeding into some of their, their decision-making.

Scott Frazier: I do think though that it, you know, activists and advocates in this space deserve a lot of praise because the fact that on short notice, people were able to organize and fight this same fight again when, you know, that I feel like the natural thing as a politically engaged person is to be like, we, we won this fight already.

You know, like the, the vehicle dwelling ban got pulled, 41.18 got pulled. All of the councilmembers said, “Mitch O’Farrell. You’re a bad boy. Don’t do this again.” And then suddenly it’s just like, it’s back and you have to just run it back and do it all over again. And the odds were extremely in the favor of this thing passing with, with limited descent and that’s not what happened.

And I feel like there’s, there’s a tremendous amount of credit that needs to go to the people who, who have stayed plugged in on this issue.

Hayes Davenport: And I saw right after that ordinance came out and it looked like it was going to come up for a vote the following week, Jane Nguyen from K-Town For All was just like, “Nope. Not not happening. They’re trying to sneak this by us because it’s right before an election that is not going to happen.” And she was right.

And the combination of her and her, like all these other organizations and just like the onslaught of calls at public comments that they always generate when these things happen, it got it stopped. It’s coming back again. November 24th. And we’ll see what happens then like the will to get this accomplished is very powerful, from the City Council and presumably the mayor who is like in a hot air balloon right now with the scissors, right?

Scott Frazier: Did you say November 24th?

Hayes Davenport: Yes.

Alissa Walker: Yeah. That’s what also is so shocking. No one really knew what was going on by the end of this meeting, we were all kind of like, is this

Scott Frazier: Two days before Thanksgiving. So there’s that.

Alissa Walker: Again, when they think people won’t be paying attention.

Hayes Davenport: I also want to talk the Rick Jacobs case. I think Garcetti is playing it effectively on his end of just like, not really talking about it. Just feeling the investigations happening. he is back doing events for, Biden, but the lawyers for Matt Garza, the LAPD officer who first brought the case, against Garcetti’s aide, Rick Jacobs, for sexual harassment and assault are now requesting the Garcetti be deposed and Garcetti has now gone on record saying he never saw anything like this.

I don’t think he has said. I think he said he’d never personally witnessed any of it. I don’t think he has said that he never heard of anything like this happening, which there’s virtually no way that could be true. but being deposed is a different story having to go, and either speak or decide like he could decide to plead the fifth and not talk about it, but that doesn’t look great either.

And, uh, like I don’t like who’s our legal expert on this panel? If you’re like, if it, if a lawyer, if a plaintiff says,” I want to depose this witness,” a judge decides if that witness is deposed or not? You just have to do it? You don’t just have to do it? Or do you?

Scott Frazier: My, so my understanding from the similar, actually, civil suits filed by a number of plaintiffs against Jose Huizar, former City councilmember is that generally speaking you can be compelled by a judge to give testimony in a deposition. Particularly, if it is material to, to the discovery of evidence in the case.

I don’t believe, I don’t believe it’s like automatic. I do think that it’s basically like you can request somebody do it. I don’t know. You request it, you strongly request it, and then, and then you file a motion for the judge to make them do it. but that, that seems like that was something that happened not infrequently in the Huizar case. Cases.

Hayes Davenport: Maybe Garcetti can maneuver quickly enough by the time this deposition happens, he will in the order of succession become President and be immune from having to talk.

Scott Frazier: The other thing, though, that’s important to note about depositions is that they are not public records. So, that.

Hayes Davenport: I see these videos.

Scott Frazier: Sometimes you see these videos. The, I think generally speaking, what happens is – I, I think this based on having actually attempted to get a few of them – so you request them from the court system and the deposed party, actually has the opportunity to object to the release of, of the videos, which I’m assuming Garcetti would do. but there, there are ways that they can become part of the public record, if, for example, they are entered as evidence, in the, in the, in the trial proceedings and also they are not under seal then they can become public record. But my understanding at least is that they are not by default ever going to be public.

Hayes Davenport: It’s hard to imagine seeing him in one of these videos. I just don’t. It’s hard to imagine it’s shaking out where they the parties involved would let that happen.

Scott Frazier: I, I just, I love, I love depositions. I always think of the Lil Wayne one from like 2008 or whatever, where he just says, “I don’t recall. I don’t recall. Everything you’re about to ask me, I don’t recall.”

Hayes Davenport: That’s it. We, have an election tomorrow and if it happens, then maybe we’ll come back, no guarantees at all, for whether we have it in us to do a bonus episode, just kinda covering, what happens. We may not know, like it depends on how fast the counting is going to be. I think we’ll know a lot really fast just because of how much early voting there is.

But we will try to keep everyone informed and then we’ll be back and we’ll do another episode of LA podcast. Bye.